Here’s what happened. (Note: this is not hot in any way. It’s basically a rant about public transportation etiquette).
I got on the train this morning, later than usual. Upside being maybe I’d get a bench to myself. There was one, in one of the four seater areas, where two seats face two other seats without a table, as if you’ll be commuting with three of your best commuter friends and want to have a chat. Anyway, I took the seat, there was a dude seemingly passed out in the corner, I sat opposite him diagonally, thinking if the train didn’t fill up, I wouldn’t have to scoot over and worry about our knees touching.
Knees touching is always a worry for me, I’m a big lady with a big ass and my knees generally stick out farther than maybe the seat designers intended. So I’m always very conscious of the space I take up, tucking my knees to the side, sitting back as far as my ass will allow, holding my bags precariously, but firmly on my short lap (short because my belly is big too, and doesn’t leave a lot of lap space).
The train started to fill, a man sat across from me next to passed out guy, so I did the polite thing and slid over next to the window directly across from passed out guy. I negotiated a place for my knees, as you do, gripped my bags close to my chest and glanced over at the four seats across the aisle from us.
There sat a young dude with a backpack sitting next to him on it’s own seat. Across from him, sitting kitty-corner, was a business man with his slim briefcase taking up it’s own seat. Presumably so he could read emails while we trundled along to work. I read emails too! (Er…play candy crush, whatevs) but I do it with my elbows squished to my side and my knees crimped together, feeling every inch of my frame and willing it not to touch anyone.
As the train goes along, passed out guy, who is slumped forward hood pulled down over his head, hands between his own, comfortably spread, knees, moves incrementally this way and that. Presumably with the rocking of the train, but also, managing to touch my tights-clad knees fairly frequently. Don’t get me wrong, he wasn’t stroking me or grasping or anything, just knuckles grazing “innocently” as we rode along.
Annoying, but it’s not like my knees have never run into someone else’s knees before or whatever. Just not usually their hands. Most people sit up on a train.
But this is the thing, see. I assume, because I’m large, and my knees go farther into the middle of our shared space than I feel like they “should” I blame myself for this inadvertent knuckle-to-knee contact. Not to mention his slumped-down head being basically between my knees. But not really of course, it’s all very subtle, maybe he’s just a drunk. Don’t make a scene. You’re obviously taking up the most space here, Maria.
So for three or four stops, I just kept shifting position, moving half an inch here or there. Trying to not touch anyone. Except, it kept happening. For a minute, I was like “Fuck this, I get to be in this space too” and I just let my knees be. But then they were just resting against his hand and it was creeping me out. And I started to think, if this guy didn’t look like he was homeless or drunk or “in trouble” if he looked like a frat boy or a business guy, would I stand for him touching me so causally? No. Probably not. On the other hand, if he was attractive to me, would I be more likely to believe it was an accident and just let it happen? Probably. And what does that say about me?So, is it really because this particular dude just is too clueless to notice, or is he taking advantage of his down-and-out status? In any case, I moved my knees away again.
I don’t even know if he was taking advantage of anything. I wasn’t being touched “intentionally” that I could tell, it was so subtle, he might not have even known I was there.
But it was annoying, and those guys across from me, just letting their bags have their own seats, and me constantly shifting and moving and not wanting to call attention to this for fear of being branded a bitch, or racist, or too fat to take public transportation, said nothing. (Being branded by whom, a bunch of strangers? Gah, who cares? I do, apparently, but hate that I do). At the next stop, I told the lady next to me it was mine and got up, of course the train moved and I hadn’t quite had the handrail yet and nearly fell into the lap of stupid email man whose briefcase deserves it’s own seat. He reached his hands out to help me if I needed.
“Oh gosh, thanks, so sorry!” “ha, ha” I laugh. Tra la la, I’m such a klutz. Grrrr. Another annoying habit. I’m actually not that much of a klutz. I’m pretty careful about the space I take up at almost all times.
Then I just walked to the door and stood for three more stops, fuming.
Of course passed out man leaned back and looked around when I got up, but he didn’t look at me, and I didn’t really look at him.
I could have said “Please stop touching me” or “Please sit up, sir” during the trip, but if he was just a poor drunk, I didn’t want to make a scene or get him in trouble. But what if he wasn’t? What if this was exactly his intention?
I don’t know. This post isn’t even really coherent. And generally, I let things like this roll off my back pretty easily. But I’m annoyed and thinking about how my own feelings of my body, my feelings of not wanting to make a fuss, my feelings of what is and isn’t right, what I do and don’t deserve, what is and isn’t appropriate have all bubbled up because of this.
Obviously people go through much more threatening interactions on public transportation every day, and I’m not trying to say this is like those. It’s just something that annoyed me. (Of course, this little bit of apology right here is another thing that is annoying. If I ever have a complaint or an issue, why do I feel the need to constantly say “I know there are worse things, so shouldn’t be complaining, but…” Yes, obviously there are worse things than having a man touch my knee on the train. But sometimes talking about small things is important and if I only ever allow space for big things to matter, then, I’m not solving problems. This parenthetical is basically a note to self).
Grrrrrr.
Exposing40
Really interesting post. I was at a talk this weekend at WOW about ‘big beautiful women’ (the speakers objected to the title, hence my inverted commas) and one of the things that came up was the issue of spade on public transport and how women are judged and judge themselves in a way a man never would. Sorry you had a horrid start to your day, but yes – keep talking about the small things. Xx
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MariaSibylla
Thanks!
HappyComeLucky
You do not take up too much space. You do not take up too much space. You do not take up too much space.
You, with your beauty and your wonderful nature worry too much about being too much. You know what, you might be a big lady but I can guarantee your knees don’t stick out further than a six-foot passengers. I can almost guarantee that they don’t try to shrink the space they take. It’s so hard to break the cycle of trying to minimise the space, minimise the fuss, minimise the presence but you know what, no-one breaks when you do break that cycle. Maybe give yourself a challenge to just take your space for one journey. I’d love to know how it goes and even more than that, I’d love to cheer you on as you do it.
PS. I’ve been being more assertive with my own space on public transport.
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MariaSibylla
This is an absolutely beautiful comment!! Thank you so much Honey! Of course, you are right! And you really illustrate it perfectly by comparing it to a tall person. I like your challenge! I’m going to try it tonight on the way home.
Tabitha
Ooo Maria!
What these ladies said!
I know how this feels, trying to shrink to nothing… sweat and panic beading… I wish I could offer advice from me but I can’t as I sat next to horror guy for four hours without just saying, excuse me I need to move to another seat far away, from YOU! ?
You are the perfect size for you and you inhabit the perfect space ?
MariaSibylla
You are lovely, thank you! Here’s to always moving to New seats going forward!!
f dot leonora
considering i shake people off for sleeping on my shoulder–you are a patron saint!!! on new york city subways, we do not stand for any kind of unwanted touching! it is not okay! your body is your zone, period!
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MariaSibylla
Thanks! I will have to think of myself as a New Yorker and say “What would Leonora do?” 🙂
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